tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post668151518096719382..comments2023-10-25T11:26:59.760+01:00Comments on Musings of a Quaker Witch (Pagan Quaker): Not the National Coming Out Day conversation I expectedMorganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05201286586062722169noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-64283022366337278332009-10-13T23:14:50.654+01:002009-10-13T23:14:50.654+01:00ALWAYS for gay/bi rights, but this has opened my e...ALWAYS for gay/bi rights, but this has opened my eyes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-30121092006528024392009-10-13T23:37:02.926+01:002009-10-13T23:37:02.926+01:00Just a reminder: if you use the "Anonymous&qu...Just a reminder: if you use the "Anonymous" option, please at least sign your first name. I do not, in general, allow completely anonymous comments. <br><br>I'm glad this opened your eyes more, and I'm curious -- in what way or ways? <br><br>Thanks!staśahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05201286586062722169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-78814717593040929502009-10-14T01:10:30.818+01:002009-10-14T01:10:30.818+01:00Stasa said, "It has NOTHING to do with how an...Stasa said, "It has NOTHING to do with how an employer sets it up and everything to do with legal rights you have that I don't."<br><br>I HATE that I have legal rights that you do not. This is wrong in every way. It goes against everything we Americans say we stand for, and my patience is wearing really thin with those who refuse to see this. <br><br>I wish I had something more Amyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04155024961920861439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-32119187255786801872009-10-14T02:19:14.953+01:002009-10-14T02:19:14.953+01:00Well, it does me good to know people who have acce...Well, it does me good to know people who have access to these rights are losing patience, too. <br><br>I know the courts have consistently rejected this as an example of gender discrimination, but I still see it that way. Amy, you and I have the same rights as long as we marry someone who is legally defined as being of the opposite gender. It's only if one of us wants to marry someone of staśahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05201286586062722169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-4061320226191105342009-10-14T22:28:21.087+01:002009-10-14T22:28:21.087+01:00Amy said, and I agree: "I HATE that I have le...Amy said, and I agree: "I HATE that I have legal rights that you do not."<br>Worse, is that the legal rights that you DO have through legal contracts are being ignored with impunity by medical staff on the grounds that their religion says you are "less than." This would not now be tolerated if the issue was race -- thank the gods we've come that far, at least.<br>I'veOtherYshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06793546059536191671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-34293208304451941422009-10-15T02:41:09.484+01:002009-10-15T02:41:09.484+01:00OtherYs, thanks for your comment.Let me just be cl...OtherYs, thanks for your comment.<br><br>Let me just be clear about a couple of things. <br><br>1) This isn't just medical staff. This happens with other people in authority, such as law enforcement, etc. <br><br><br>2) I've had some very, very good experiences with medical professionals respecting my marriage, without my having to whip out legal paperwork to prove it. Since betweenstaśahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05201286586062722169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-2133801967837508032009-10-15T23:59:45.527+01:002009-10-15T23:59:45.527+01:00There needs to be a sea change where the outrage i...There needs to be a sea change where the outrage is shared by all of us because this disparity in basic rights is genuinely outrageous. This outrage is hard to generate for those of us who are experiencing the privilege accorded to opposite gendered unions. My Meeting is opening up a dialogue about whether we should have legal marriages performed in our Meeting if not all members are allowed Mary Ellenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06476814211173076515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-22703963863311085442009-10-16T15:32:00.420+01:002009-10-16T15:32:00.420+01:00Thanks, Mary Ellen. (But I nonetheless distinctly...Thanks, Mary Ellen. (But I nonetheless distinctly felt a soapbox under my feet by the end of my last comment, *smile*.)<br><br>I know there's also some concern and discomfort for Friends whose Meetings are considering this, because at one point Friends had to work so hard for our marriages to be recognized legally at all. So I can see that being a real challenge for folks. <br><br>Beloved staśahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05201286586062722169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-86153321422372076642009-10-19T16:57:01.279+01:002009-10-19T16:57:01.279+01:00Stasa,I tend to get really emotional about this to...Stasa,<br><br>I tend to get really emotional about this topic. Injustice sucks and I'll leave it at that for now since I still have to get through my day without feeling the need to kick things. I'm just feeling really annoyed that people don't listen. This whole thing is not that hard. Anything short of absolute equality for all people degrades all of us.<br><br>I did also want Hysteryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02044678910937934731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1780629013428444572.post-79904516998216493412009-10-19T23:30:22.259+01:002009-10-19T23:30:22.259+01:00Hystery, knowing you the little I do, I can see th...Hystery, knowing you the little I do, I can see that this would drive you nuts. <br><br>Thanks for sharing your experience with your husband's name change. Wow. I've heard what friends have gone through who are in opposite-gender civil marriages but whose kids have different last names, but that's nothing compared to what your family is coping with. Aiee. <br><br>Sexism is alive staśahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05201286586062722169noreply@blogger.com